Obama: Why So Socialist asked: The bail outs are not free market capitalism, that’s fascism to have the government dictate the market.
Don’t tell me it divides the rich and the poor. 50% of the American GDP is from small businesses – Fortune Magazine
Not to mention majority of America is middle class, there are more suburbs then any other form of society in America. Middle class to me sounds balanced, there isn’t a majority of lower or upper class, only a select few in population.
In free market capitalism the consumers dictate what they want to buy, the businesses can’t survive unless they satisfy what the consumer wants to purchase.
With the bail outs the government chose to do ruined the free market, the consumers dictated they don’t want cars from GM, the government intervened and bailed them out. In a free market capitalist system, that company would go out of business, and a more efficient business would move in that territory and do a better job. Bailing out GM will come back to haunt us if it fails again, it will mandate another bail out or bankruptcy.
The banks them selves aren’t truly a free market. They are mandated by the government with so many regulations they lose their freedom to choose what to do. The Community Reinvestment Act which Fannie Mae in 1992 was invested in crashed later at the end of the Bush Term in 2008. That’s 18 years difference in time. Home Mortgage loans take time to pay off. If you give loans to people that have bad credit obviously they’re a hazard to possibly repay it back. Banks where mandated by the government to give out the loans to people that didn’t qualify. Not discrediting banks being greedy they where, but it was the bureaucracy that enabled banks to have bad practice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act – Read the History
The regulations banks under went with all the changes and enabling them to give bad loans is the reason we feel this 18 years later. Most peoples home loans take longer then 18 years to pay off. Giving them to people that didn’t qualify makes it even more dangerous, with the housing market devalued the banks got the homes back with a lower value of the origional loan, cooping an even bigger loss since they can’t sell it back.
It’s not free market capitalism to bail out the banks, and it wasn’t free market capitalism for the government to regulate banks on how they distribute home loans. The government made the mess, and it’s the tax payer that suffers. This isn’t free market capitalism. I just want to make sure you realize free market capitalism doesn’t involve government regulation/interference.
If you mention things like the FDA and FCC, those don’t dictate what company’s can sell their product at or anything, that’s for safety purposes, it will effect a company’s cost but they will just push it to the consumer, regulating the cost they put to the consumer will damage their ability to independently function in the free market.
So don’t bash a system you probably know nothing about. It really upsets me people watch Michael Moore’s movie and think that’s capitalism. Bail outs are not Free Market Capitalism, it’s government interference which is fascism.
Sakata Gintoki: Wow you’re pretty ignorant, the people in other countries wouldn’t have jobs in their country if it wasn’t for the US providing them. They would be killing each other and be unproductive. In any state where there is no employment, which can be a country like Somalia or even the great depression. It was and always will be out of order since there is no production, everyone will just kill each other and constantly be at war. There is no wealth generated. When employment happens, production increases causing wealth to be generated, and it’s peaceful. Government housing projects have the highest crime rates in America for a reason that is parallel to unemployment.
crunch: Free Market Capitalism hasn’t existed since FDR, his socialistic ideals make Americans dependent on the government. The more dependent on the government one becomes the less independent they become. Causing them to demand the government takes care of them. This is why we have health care reform, Medicare is costing America too much money each year, Obama is going to end Medicare and merge it with his new plan. It’s going to keep adding to our debt. I’d rather disable all government aid. Not allow doctors to be sued by Lawyers. Then sit back and watch the Doctors compete against each other for patients. There would be so much competition doctors would force each other to lower prices. Just like fast food when McDonalds introduced the dollar menu. Everyone else had to have a value menu because they where getting killed. The consumer will always win.
Sakata Gintoki: Wow you’re a whiny little blamer, do you understand everyone has the free will to choose what to do with their lives? You can’t blame the employer when the employee willingly works there. You can’t blame tobacco companies for people who smoke and get cancer since the individual should of known better. You’re discrediting the individuals right to choose what they want to do. You blame others for the individuals fault and sole choice they made on their own. You can’t blame someone when the individual chose to do it. No one is forcing anyone to work any where, unless it was a totalitarian state and mandates they must. That isn’t the case in Free Market Capitalism. The Employees can picket and not work there, if they picket and they get fired and replaced by others, it obviously tells everyone that the work environment must not be that bad if others still want to work there.
Matthew D: Middle Class is not defined by how much money you have, since the cost of living per state is different. Middle Class homes in So Cal cost 500k, if you took 500k to Alabama you could live in a mansion. The upper class homes here are valued from 900k and up in So Cal. You can’t live in a big house here. It depends on where you live and what the cost of living is. All suburbs are defined as middle class. Government housing projects are lower class, and the upper class are the few rich that live in areas the average person can’t afford. Most homes in America are affordable for the average American depending on which state you are in. Real Estate is about location, saying a value determines middle class is stupid, because 500k in so cal isn’t worth much compared to Alabama. It’s about each location and what the norm is.
AgriCult: I know who George Orwell is, he is an author of a book 1984 which was a prediction of how totalitarianism would spread. I know what his philosophy is. Second I want to say that Hitler was a Fascist, Fascism is two things.
1. The cause of race superiority.
2. The merge of corporations and government
I for one see number 2 clearly happening right now in our American society. 61% of GM is owned by the US Department of Treasury. It’s damaging the system America was built upon. The fore fathers wanted a small government, we are constantly stirring away from it, and I don’t want to have a government that is parallel to the king of England. If the government today owns many companies and the king of England taxed high percentages, what difference does it make. Either way the form of government generates a high revenue through ownership or taxation. I really dislike this, all governments can do is go bankrupt, we see it with the USSR, Nazi Germany, and with us being 11 trill debt.
remmycool: due to lack of comenting space I am allowed I will keep this short. I agree with everything you said, if the world was a free market system America’s value would decrease. I don’t mind that, I am not about superiority of currency, I am for the innovation free market capitalism has offered the world. I love it and it makes every bureaucrat look like a selfish dictator that wants the wealth through taxation.
I agree with your comparison of Zimbabwe and them being millionaires. Of course not everyone can be a millionaire, it would just be inflation and the value would be even more useless. The problem is people see the rich and think that they’re selfish. The belief of that is preposterous since the rich generated that wealth through smart investments. Every society there is a rich class, either a dictatorship/government or the people who choose to make innovative ideas in our democratic republic society. I hate the witch hunts people have on successful people.
Aidan: Well for starters I agree with you that the bail outs saved capitalism since it enables banks to give loans to businesses for what ever purpose they need it for. How ever I disagree that you will believe a government report on a government program they allowed. I see a bias there considering if they disagree with their own intended policy it will make them lose credibility, Americans will lose trust in them and no one would ever want something like this to happen again. To push this point even further look at the cause and effects of other programs.
Social Security’s cause is to allow you to be financially secure by the government past age 65, yet people past 65 still work and aren’t retired.
Welfare sounds nice to help people in poverty, yet those people become dependent on the program and always will be in poverty. There is no incentive to become independent and not depend on the government anymore.
I can go on and on, but I hope you get the point, plus I have no more space
x x: You do realize oil companies face a major restriction by the government of where they can drill. If oil companies could drill any where and have a massive quantity the price of it would lower. Gas would be much cheaper if it was accessable by oil companies to drill any where. The government restricts oil companies to drill any where. So oil companies must buy it from foreign distributors like Canada, and the tariff they pay to ship it here adds to the cost of production. Due to scarcity and the tariff cost, the oil companies pass these burdens to the consumers. Otherwise they would eat a massive loss and go out of business. Again that’s government regulation ruining the free market ability of oil companies drilling where ever they want. Gold is expensive because of the scarcity it holds as a natural resource. Same reason why you won’t pay money for dirt since it is every where it’s so common it doesn’t hold a value.
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